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43 Folders Wiki

Merlin Mann | Mar 20 2005

The long-promised 43 Folders Wiki is finally up and running at http://wiki.43folders.com/. W00t.

With the help of a few intrepid barn raisers, we’ve started slapping together the beginnings of what I know will become a fascinating adjunct to the main site and our 1,600-strong Google Group.

It’s yours to contribute to and to edit as you see fit. As with the mothership, though, I do ask everyone’s help in respecting the Mac-centric focus of the site (that means no drive-by Windows spam, please). Apart from that, go nuts. Well, maybe not nuts exactly, but please consider doing what you can to help tend our little information garden.

You can use the discussion area of each page or leave comments here. Thanks to everyone for pitching in, and welcome aboard!

Update 2005-03-24 09:13:18: I’m pleased to note that “The Rules” have been wildly re-jiggered to remove any restrictions on content based on platform.

While I unapologetically stand by my desire to keep the 43 Folders blog focused on the needs of Mac users, there’s absolutely no reason to try and social-engineer a community site like our wiki. I trust our visitors implicitly to do good work and to make smart decisions; it is they who should decide what works and what doesn’t. And based on the amazing progress they’ve made over just 4 or so days, I’m more confident than ever that the wiki will grow into a resource that benefits people far beyond the focus I’ll continue to hold here on the mothership.

Thanks to the many amazing contributors and to everyone who’s shared their opinion on how best to build a site that works for as many people as possible.


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Fraser Speirs's picture

Good to see our little...

Submitted by Fraser Speirs (not verified) on March 20, 2005 - 8:53pm.

Good to see our little baby making its first steps into the world :-)

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Danno's picture

I'm curious, by "respect the...

Submitted by Danno (not verified) on March 21, 2005 - 1:39am.

I’m curious, by “respect the Mac centric focus of the site” do you mean we shouldn’t be adding GTD software tips for Windows? Or we should only add those tips if they’re cross platform?

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Looks like we spend this...

Submitted by Michael Randall (not verified) on March 21, 2005 - 2:26am.

Looks like we spend this weekend the same way - I set up MediaWiki on PigPog to set off a Wiki about Creativity.

(Actually, there’s a ‘Productivity’ section on there, so I think it’s time for me to go add a link from there to the 43F Wiki.)

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Danno: It's hard to say...

Submitted by Merlin Mann on March 21, 2005 - 2:39am.

Danno: It’s hard to say what’s always appropriate for the site (as I’ve obviously struggled to frame in a positive way).

I would, in general discourage additions that aren’t targeted at Mac users. There are many great ideas that are agnostic of platform, but as far as specific app tips that are impossible for Mac users to use: yeah, I would discourage that, I think.

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I wanted to post and...

Submitted by Thomas (not verified) on March 21, 2005 - 3:02am.

I wanted to post and thank you for this site (and now this wiki…). It’s a terrific resource. Bravo!

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I love Macs and would...

Submitted by Trish (not verified) on March 21, 2005 - 3:05am.

I love Macs and would rather use one, but I am stuck on a PC at work. Captive Windows users need as much (or more) productivity tools in the world of ‘helpful’ MS widgets like the talking paperclips. So, I would encourage more balance between PC and Mac since many of us are not Windows users by choice, but because of corporate policies.

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What's that app you're using...

Submitted by nonjo (not verified) on March 21, 2005 - 3:41am.

What’s that app you’re using to view the wiki?

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I'd encourage folks who are...

Submitted by Merlin Mann on March 21, 2005 - 4:52am.

I’d encourage folks who are worried about Windows stuff not appearing to stop by this page and its related discussion.

I’m open to a solution that works for the community (while maintaining our primary focus on Macs).

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@nonjo: Just good ole Safari...

Submitted by Merlin Mann on March 21, 2005 - 5:21am.

@nonjo: Just good ole Safari with a few additions (Sogudi, Debug Mode; Saft; a few bookmarks in the bar). Something look different about it?

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Chris's picture

Maybe we can create a...

Submitted by Chris (not verified) on March 21, 2005 - 6:54am.

Maybe we can create a wiki page for the Hipster PDA? I love my Hipster PDA, but I would like to see more info about how other people use their Hipster PDAs. For example, I would love to read other people’s:

  • product recommendations
  • notational systems
  • strategies for syncing and integration with other lists and organizers

Even though the beauty of the Hipster PDA is its low-tech simplicity, you could almost productize it! Not a bad idea..

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I just had a look...

Submitted by Swan (not verified) on March 21, 2005 - 6:57am.

I just had a look at the wiki and I noticed that you have tons of stuff on the main page. Is that really what’s intended? Don’t you want links to separate pages for each subject?

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Swan: these things tend to...

Submitted by Merlin Mann on March 21, 2005 - 7:02am.

Swan: these things tend to organize themselves over time. In general it can be useful to start with deliberate clustering, then sort of branch out organically.

I’ve seen a couple wikis topple fast because folks dashed into making hundreds of orphaned stubs—makes it too hard to see “what’s there.”

Your point is well taken though. I’m sure our gnomes will be milling around a lot over the next couple weeks! :)

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Merlin- Thank you for your efforts...

Submitted by annabella c (not verified) on March 21, 2005 - 10:03am.

Merlin-

Thank you for your efforts in keeping 43f mac-centric. I had a heck of a time finding mac-only related goodness for GTD. GTD message boards are PC heavy.

Here it’s as though I’ve died and gone to heaven - not only macs and GTD, but moleskines as well and fellow travellers!

I ran around the house jumping up and down with glee the moment I happened upon 43f. Thank you for your wonderful brain and all you do here.

annabella

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OK, I'm one of those...

Submitted by Chris (not verified) on March 21, 2005 - 1:00pm.

OK, I’m one of those “101” guys. I’m still taking Blogs 101 and spectating more then posting (this being an exception). Would someone tell me, either through comments or via my email, why wiki and blog and google groups? Just wondering and open minded to be educated.

Thank you.

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Chris: Wikis are a cool way...

Submitted by Merlin Mann on March 21, 2005 - 1:33pm.

Chris:

Wikis are a cool way to let any visitor edit or add to any page on a site. Since it is constantly read, monitored and reviewed by our readers/”gnomes” the whole site becomes like a huge collection of magnetic poetry that’s constantly changing, evolving, and (one hopes) improving.

Start by playing in the sandbox: http://wiki.43folders.com/index.php/Sand_Box

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How about a section devoted...

Submitted by Kevoh (not verified) on March 21, 2005 - 1:53pm.

How about a section devoted to “making the switch”

For example, you would say “if you used to use X pc program, now use Y mac program”

As an added benefit, PC users could just use it in reverse.

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Rather than a separate, PC-user...

Submitted by JoshD (not verified) on March 21, 2005 - 3:32pm.

Rather than a separate, PC-user ghetto, why not just have a sandbox where you can provide links to wikis that do service our windows-and-linux using brethren? Or an agreed-on practice where, for example, if I wanted to point out a windows counterpart to Quicksilver (i.e., AppRocket), I could footnote an outside link?

It is good, to have a place to share the mac geek love, and the goal of keeping that goodness is one I can get behind. Where to draw the line properly, however, is a good question.

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Mark's picture

Keep it pure for the...

Submitted by Mark (not verified) on March 21, 2005 - 7:46pm.

Keep it pure for the Mac users.

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I'de love to see a...

Submitted by Alexander Somma (not verified) on March 23, 2005 - 5:19am.

I’de love to see a section on GTD using Ubuntu linux. Macs are amazing but for the Poor Man out there they just arn’t an option. Ubuntu comes rather close though with it’s tight intigration of gnome and the the ease of instalation of aplactions like gnome-launch-box.

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I think that's a great...

Submitted by Merlin Mann on March 23, 2005 - 5:31am.

I think that’s a great idea, Alexander, for sure.

But like any topic on the wiki, I think it benefits from something like a bottom up approach; build the big “About Ubuntu linux” page first, then we’ll figure out where it goes in the context of the overall site.

That one-page, stone soup approach seems like the healthiest way to encourage contribution to your barn-within-the-barn, plus it keeps us from having a lot of stubs that are hard to see in context.

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As a happy PC user,...

Submitted by James Hamilton (not verified) on March 24, 2005 - 1:12am.

As a happy PC user, I’d also say, keep it pure for Macs. I find it kind of refreshing and stretching to figure out how to crossover any tips I like, and in addition, I learn a lot about what’s available on the Mac platform that I wouldn’t otherwise know. Good work on the Wiki - it looks extremely promising.

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wait..what about spanish? cant the...

Submitted by p (not verified) on March 24, 2005 - 3:19pm.

wait..what about spanish? cant the wiki be in spanish too?

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Great idea Merlin. Added some prelim...

Submitted by John (not verified) on March 26, 2005 - 8:21am.

Great idea Merlin. Added some prelim stuff about EssentialPIM (windows app) already. Will be reading some more.

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Total respect Merlin on the...

Submitted by Ian Cheung (not verified) on March 26, 2005 - 12:36pm.

Total respect Merlin on the rules changes. When I first read the announcement entry I thought (as a PC and Mac user) a wiki unlike a web site essentially belongs to the community so why the Mac only rule unless the community is exclusively Mac users?

Keep the site Mac only, let the community decide on the wiki. Personally I wouldn’t mind if the wiki is heavily Mac biased.

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Thanks so much for changing...

Submitted by miranda (not verified) on March 26, 2005 - 2:50pm.

Thanks so much for changing your mind about the mac thing. I don’t think anyone should tell you how to run your blog - we all write about what we want to write about, right? But I was bummed that even the wiki was going to shut out Windows users - we ARE here and we DO like and appreciate the site. (I have loved the macs that I’ve had in the past, but I can’t afford one right now. Oh mini mac, you will be mine.) Whenever you talk about Quicksilver or Safari tips, it goes over my head; I hope that people who know what you’re talking about and can suggest substitutes will do so. Though I wonder if even the wiki being opened will help in that regard; it’s my guess that there will be more for Linux users than Windows, and probably rightfully so, as so many geeks choose not to use MS products.

Anyway, I’ve been reading here since the beginning; keep up the good work!

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I notice you're using the...

Submitted by Glenn W (not verified) on March 27, 2005 - 5:07pm.

I notice you’re using the Creative Commons NoDerivs license on the Wiki. That puzzles me, as it’s legally incompatible with a Wiki… every time you edit a page, you’re creating a derivative work. I would suggest you rethink your license…

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Glenn: We are. :-) Your participation...

Submitted by Merlin Mann on March 27, 2005 - 5:16pm.

Glenn: We are. :-)

Your participation and suggestions there are certainly welcome.

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Chris, you got me thinking...

Submitted by AF (not verified) on March 30, 2005 - 12:10pm.

Chris, you got me thinking about 101-ology: I’ve been using blogs and wikis for a few years but always love to read about the fundamentals.

I suggest Chris see the powers of a good wiki unleashed over time by visiting Ward Cunningham’s WikiWikiWeb as well as Wikipedia.

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Merlin: Don't forget to add...

Submitted by Ross Olson (not verified) on April 3, 2005 - 5:29am.

Merlin: Don’t forget to add the Wiki to your ‘sections’ links at the top left corner of the page on www.43f.com…

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