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Thoughts on a new 43F board?

I like the Google group, and it's hard to argue with its relative success. Three thousand eight hundred forty one people (at this moment) are using it in some form or fashion, and it's been a reliable, relatively high-volume source of interesting conversation, great tips, and enjoyable elbow-rubbing. But some things about it kind of bug me.

1. It's flat - There's only one area to wrangle all the different conversations, and it can be kind of hard to keep up when things get busy (or, for example, when the higher-volume threads go afield of something that interests me)
2. It looks kinda weird - On my Mac the pages have that weird "Google" look where the type is tiny and lines break weird, and, frankly, I never really enjoy reading the actual _site_ (as opposed to the actual posts in the RSS feed). In some ways, I think this discourages me from participating as much.
3. It's impersonal - You can't have a cute little picture and funny signature. People apparently really like that.
4. It's hosted someplace else - I'm not a martinet about this issue in the way a lot of people are, but sometimes I feel like I'm sitting in someone else's parlor.
5. It's Google - I personally have zero beef with this, but I've met a lot of folks who are adamant about not feeding Google's insatiable appetite for our data. Consequently they only _lurk_ on the Google Group, if even that.

In sum, although I'm not married to the idea, I think it might be fun to try hosting our own conversations on 43 Folders, using prettier software that allows for more broken-out conversations. Although we'd be doing this less as a mailing list and more as a regular old board, we'd still have RSS, which is nice. Best of all, there'd be feeds, per topic. So Windows folks could avoid Mac talk and vice versa, etc.

I don't want to disrupt the community on the Google Group by any means, but I'd like to hear what people think about doing a board here. I'll be posting more in the coming days about what I'd like to do, but feel free to give me your basic gut check by responding to this topic.

TIA.


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Myles's picture

I think its a great...

I think its a great idea to start a board but still keep the mailing list i.e. Google Groups. I really don't mind emailing the group once and a while but I feel I post more on a board for some reason.

ndench's picture

I agree: I'm probably more...

I agree: I'm probably more prone to posting to a board than sending a mail, but the advantage of mail is that you don't have to go looking for it. (Of course, that can be its disadvantage too -- it can sit there any make you feel guilty, even if it's not high priority for you, but I digress ...).

However, one of the great things about 43F is that, despite it being weighted towards Mac users, it doesn't alienate those of us stuck with Windows, at least not most of the time. Although I'm happy to avoid the _real_ Mac talk (like cute uses for Quiksilver, for instance), and I can see the advantage of different boards for different topics, I'd hate to miss out on some of the more interesting stuff because the available boards made the distinction between the platforms too specific. Of course, ultimately, this is down to where the poster decided to post, but I'd hope the choice of boards would be rich enough to accommodate this.

Lief's picture

I agree with you on...

I agree with you on the case of flatness and strange presentation, Merlin. It just doesn't work for me either.

For those of you that wish to keep up with recent activity across the board, you can use this feed: http://board.43folders.com/extern.php?action=active&type=rss

TextDrive's knowledge base has more information on using PunBB's RSS feeds. You can indeed subscribe to a Mac-only forum within the board, if you wish.

jkenton's picture

Merlin, when I read your...

Merlin, when I read your list of reasons for making a new board, they all boil down to: "I cannot bend that to my will." Since you have the interest and the desire, there is no further rationale needed. If YOU want to do it, do it. I am sure that once it is built, THEY will come - with their cute pictures and funny signatures - in droves.

edwardvielmetti's picture

Merlin, I miss the olden days...

Merlin,

I miss the olden days of bulletin boards and conferencing systems where you could have a dozen conversations going on at once and not feel like you were shouting into a crowded room.

Yes, a 43 Folders board is a good idea! And we should be looking for ways to make it as simple to use as possible and model good getting things done behavior.

jke's picture

The only reason not to...

The only reason not to follow, overload. There are several yahoogroups I belong too but I don't visit much anymore becase it became to much of a time buster. Google group was fine, once in the morning for daily digest. The biggest drawback for me is that you spend alot of time tweaking your system and not doing GTD. Enough of my ramble, I think you'll find the Google group dying as people move here.

spalmer47's picture

Great idea! I don't...

Great idea! I don't much care for the Google presentation either. The only issue I see is user base. If you build something new, they may come, but why make folks make another trip? Is mirroring content an option? If not, a migration plan might be something to think about...

randellt's picture

I'm all for a separate...

I'm all for a separate board. I've used phpBB for years and love it for discussion. I find the Google groups hard to follow with the way they present info. Using BBCode is a big help for presenting ideas as well (lists, colors, sizing, etc.). I also agree with not making their data warehouse any bigger than it needs to be!

You have my vote.

sabreuse's picture

I like it. In mailing...

I like it. In mailing list form, the google group is manageable for me to read, but too much for me to really participate in; trying to read it through the web interface is... well, at least it's better than Yahoo groups. A board should allow discussions to get deeper.

Paul's picture

Yeah, I think a board...

Yeah, I think a board would be cool. I agree with some of the other posters, I think the Google group may wane a bit, or maybe it will just change as some users migrate here, some stay there, and others do both.

It seems like you'll get good crossover, though. I'd imagine most of the active folks on the Google Group will come on over.

I do think, though, that we'll need a podcast of the message board discussions, so we can multitask and listen to it while reading the transcripts of the 43F podcasts.

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