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I am so overwhelmed I can't even start a system. Lots of ideas.. paper vs PDA .etc
Magitek | Dec 20 2006
Hi, I am trying to think of a good system and I want to devise a good one before I start creating it. My main problems with my PDA was speed. The PalmPDA pretends to be convenient but I would have to take it out its case in my pocket, turn it on, get the proper application up, get out my stylus, and write which was was a VERY slow process for me. Even if I purchased a Palm keyboard I can't think it would be any more convenient because to write down one little task I'd have to find a surface, unfold the keyboard, connect the palm and start the keyboard driver and then finally get round to typing! Data input is one of the most important things. If you avoid doing data input because it is nightmare you will be a very unproductive person no matter how good your system is! Here was my thought for a system: Out-and-about: Pocket notebook + pen - writing down data, Adv: quick as it gets PDA - to reference to. Adv: Fit in pocket, will be EVERYTHING (all daily tasks, assignments) At home: PC- Adv: Basically I would just look at the notes I'd made that day and enter them into the correct app (that has a corresponding Palm ap) then sync my Palm. Then I would tear out the rough notes I made that day from my input notebook. Thats my thought. The only disadvantage I can think of this is that it seems stupid that data may need to be entered twice (once in pad + once in comp) however I still think this works out faster then using a PDA for input. For intance in a lecture I'd have to write a detail of something but I wouldn't get the complete information or I'd get left behind because my input was so slow. Part of me says stuff the PDA and go all-paper. Just devise a daily tasks list each day and have a pad to write on and that's it. I am fairly experienced in computing comparitvely so I always feel obliged to go the digital route so this gives me big resistance to switching to paper because I know digital is superior. Thus I am driving myself crazy when it comes to organisation and I tend to avoid it alltogether. But then again, life is unpredictable and sometimes you'll be want to look at more then the daily tasks, say for instance, if you have finished all of them and if your stuck at uni with a very long break between lectures. My thoughts are in a mess and I just can't seem to find a good answer here on what to do. As I said, I want to pick an optimal system before I spend my time setting it up. I am getting a headache just thinking about it. Help is appreciated. Cheers 8 Comments
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Getting Things Done?Submitted by Webb on December 20, 2006 - 7:42am.
Have you read David Allen's book yet? I'd say it's more important what your process is than what technology you're using to implement it. I agree with you on the PDA: generally, more work than it's worth. I've implemented a mostly-analog system, which is working great. See here for more info »
Part of me says stuff...Submitted by Stew on December 20, 2006 - 7:43am.
Magitek;7290 wrote:
Just my opinion, but although you feel compelled to start with digital, don't. The problems you've described with PDAs are the same I've found - too slow to access and too limiting. Paper allows you to establish good habits while, quite literally, getting a hand on your organizational process. You can always switch to digital later. I would argue against your point that digital is superior, as it all depends on your needs. Paper allows for creative and free flowing ideas, without electricity, software, or other limitations. You can write, draw, and edit in a way computers do not allow. Then again, digital is great for storing and retrieving reference information. Yes, I still use a Palm, but never for organization. Mine stores MP3s, audiobooks, and digital reference documents. Paper and Digital both have their strengths and weaknesses. You have to go with what works for you. Magitek;7290 wrote:
The first step: get your thoughts out of your head. Write them down, word-process, whatever feels comfortable. You'll feel better. Your thoughts are still concerning your because you haven't acted on them yet. Setting up a functional system need not be challenging or time consuming. I started with a legal pad and a stack of manilla folders. That's it. If you have some time away from your studies this holiday season, set some time aside, find a copy of Getting Things Done (if you haven't already), and dive in. Keep things simple initially, and remember that you can always add to and upgrade your system as needed later on. You'll soon find that the effort is worth it, and a lot easier than it seems. Let us know how it goes! »
Since you've already got a...Submitted by emk on December 20, 2006 - 8:03am.
Since you've already got a PDA, here's a possibility: Otherwise, I'm working from a pocket-size notepad and a composition book, both in nifty covers that make them look more grown up. The main part of the system is the compo book, with the notepad for quick notes while out, and the PDA backs it all up, synced with computers at home and work - if I lose any one thing it isn't tragic. Yes, there's a little overhead in entering things into the PDA after I've already written them down on paper, but I find doing it at my (almost) weekly review takes the pain away somewhat. I agree, simple is indeed better, but a little redundancy never hurts either! »
The PDA is not an inboxSubmitted by Flexiblefine on December 20, 2006 - 9:10am.
Magitek;7290 wrote: Thats my thought. The only disadvantage I can think of this is that it seems stupid that data may need to be entered twice (once in pad + once in comp) however I still think this works out faster then using a PDA for input. For intance in a lecture I'd have to write a detail of something but I wouldn't get the complete information or I'd get left behind because my input was so slow. In the now-unavailable "Getting Things Done... Fast" audio program, David Allen talks about the way he uses a PDA, and he doesn't use the PDA for collection. Why not? The same reason you have -- input is too slow. Instead, he uses paper for collection, because pen and paper are more flexible and faster-moving than digital stuff. For him, the PDA is a list manager -- part of his organization phase, not his collection phase. If David Allen Himself uses paper and does the double-entry later, it's okay for you to do, too. :) »
Even happens with paper, but that's not a bad thing.Submitted by Antemeridian on December 20, 2006 - 10:52am.
Flexiblefine;7297 wrote:
In the now-unavailable "Getting Things Done... Fast" audio program, David Allen talks about the way he uses a PDA, and he doesn't use the PDA for collection. Why not? The same reason you have -- input is too slow. To take this a step further, this can even happen with all paper systems. I use a desk (5.5x8.5) size planner as my main tool (Calendar, lists, etc.). However, depending on where I'm going or what I'm doing, I don't always want to bring this, or if I do bring it, its not always my main capture tool. If I'm heading to a meeting, I'll either take my notes in an A9 notebook or on a pad of paper, and then when I return I'll usually transcribe those notes into a more permanent form if required. Whether that be distributing minutes for a meeting, capturing NAs and reference materials for various points in my system, or even just re-writing some notes in a more professional form (removing doodles, etc.), I will frequently process notes before they're into my system. In some cases, I actually prefer this, as it seperates my collection from my processing, which means when I'm collecting, it can get full focus, and when I'm processing, it can get full focus. I guess its almost like adding a distinction between a capture tool and an inbox. »
a) Def. read Getting Things...Submitted by emory on December 21, 2006 - 9:43pm.
a) Def. read Getting Things Done. »
Collection vs. ProcessingSubmitted by Flexiblefine on December 22, 2006 - 1:28pm.
Antemeridian;7298 wrote: I guess its almost like adding a distinction between a capture tool and an inbox. This is an excellent point. Collection is all about collecting -- getting things recorded as they come into your head. I think David Allen advises (in GTD Fast again) that we should "over-note-take" to make sure we collect everything that might be useful. All those notes get tossed into an inbox to be processed, when we take a look at all the stuff we collected and distill it down into actionable items, reference items, etc. Yes, we may throw out 90% of the notes we took, but keeping the division between these functions allows us to concentrate on collecting when we're collecting and processing when we're processing. »
Checkout my Post on GTD & AcademicsSubmitted by Todd V on January 4, 2007 - 8:05am.
You may find this post on GTD & Academics helpful. Part of what makes things difficult may have less to do with paper versus digital implementations of GTD and more to do with the unique tasks that face us academics: http://board.43folders.com/showthread.php?t=104&page=5 Todd V »
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