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Note Taking Tips?

I’m in my first year of university and trying desperately to come up with the best way to take notes on my mac…

I’ve been looking into notae and yojimbo (I like the tagging features alot, but dislike that I can’t put in pictures and such) but have heard good things about journler and devonthink.

The problem with Notae (which I used today) is everything is in SQL databases which is going to make it difficult. Plus most of these apps REQUIRE you to make a new database file rather than a bunch of text files which it will database and collect, etc. I’ve also heard wiki’s are a great way to take notes but have no clue how to do so on my mac.

So please, if you have any suggestions I’d love to hear them. I’m sure there are many like me who also would love to know any suggestions for great apps for us Univeristy kids.


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Berko's picture

Journler stores files, but go with OmniOutliner Pro

Journler stores items as files inside of ~/Library/Application\ Support/Journler, so you might give it another look.

I know some people are in love with Tinderbox, but I can’t justify the price.

When I have to have good notetaking capability, I’m never disappointed by turning to OmniOutliner Pro. I say Pro because it will also let you record the lecture inside your notes.

anorris's picture

Watch the law...

Keep in mind when recording lectures that officially, the lecture is the intellectual property of the instructor, and it is important to seek their permission before recording a lecture. Also, legally permission must also be sought from everybody in the room. This is something that came up in a 400 person class I’m in, and its mentioned on the syllabus that you can be failed for the quarter if you record without the proper verification.

Recording lectures is an excellent idea, but make sure you ask first. Failing is bad. And expensive.

kirkrr's picture

According to State

As far as permissions, in many states, the only legal requirement on recording conversations is that one party of the conversation be aware of the recording. As the person recording the work, you already have your own permission.

As far as copyrights, under the Federal Copyright Law, Fair Use Provision, and copyrighted material used for education purposes is exempt from copyright restrictions for a period of 30 days - after than, the copy of the copyrighted materials must be destroyed. Proper annotation providing credit for the author must be maintained, but that is all.

If a professor is going to fail you for this, then a simple letter from a lawyer to the school should alleviate the teacher of his failure to follow the law.

But then again, it is academia, and they only follow the laws they think are applicable and beneficial to them anyway :-)

wood.tang's picture

Paper first, then the computer

You should really consider taking the notes on paper, then putting them into the computer later. The computer will just be a distraction, and you won’t be engaged in what the professor is saying. That screen creates a little wall between you and everyone else in the room. I had a former manager ban laptops from meetings for this very reason.

Even if you possess the self-control to not check your email, IM, surf the web, etc, the temptation will be too great to twiddle around with the settings/formats/tags in your note taking program and you won’t really grasp what’s going on. It will be pretty and fantastically searchable, but it won’t mean anything because you just copied it down like a robot. Your brain will be more actively engaged as you write by hand. Plus, you can revise and review when you type them up later, and you’ll retain it better for exam time.

sheinow's picture

Paper could be better,

I wasn’t ever a great note taker but I do have to say that Paper and Pencil always worked better for me, I ended up surfing the web instead of taking notes when I brought my computer, in my college days. So unless you don’t have the privilege of WiFi I would be weary of distractions.

CaseyJo's picture

Yes, Definitely Try Paper

When I first started out at college, I tried everything: notes on my computer, notes typed after class, printing the notes that my professor had already put online and then writing on them in class, and anything else I could think of. I just kept coming back to a simple pen, paper and highlighter combination. Technology is supposed to be helpful in the classroom, but I’ve found that it tends to get in the way. When you’re behind a computer screen, you don’t feel like you’re really engaging with the class. And constant threat of WiFi and solitaire means you probably won’t get as much done as you want to.

If you do decide to go the digital route, text files are a nice, simple way to do it. I’ve also found that the notebook page in Office for Mac is a good tool. Neither of these let you write notes in the margins of your notes, which is why I don’t use them.

Make sure to read some hints on taking good notes too, because your notes are only as good as their content. My favorite tips are: don’t try to write down everything your professor says; don’t try to write down everything on the powerpoint (put it in your own words); put things in a meaningful hierarchical structure; don’t be afraid to draw graphs; and re-read your notes (you’d be surprised how many people just take notes and never look at them again). A google search for taking good notes returns a bunch of tips that are helpful for new university students.

Itkovian's picture

Go with paper, indeed.

I think that taking notes on a computer in class is simply not very feasible. It is far easier to jot things down on paper, you can draw graphs, arrows, far quicker and add text as you see fit. Perhaps I’m missing something, but it seems like a waste to take notes using a computer, unless you only very sporadicaly write something down. Plus, a computer can more easily distract you!

Artie.Kuhn's picture

Paper!

As an instructor at the University level, I think it’s a good idea to physically separate prep from work. I’d do all my prep work (note taking, etc.) on paper and all my work (paper writing, designing, etc.) on the computer. Keeping these two streams separate just makes my brain work better. Oh, and paper is less distracting. For advice on how to take great paper notes, I would check out the Cornell Note Taking system. Link: http://tinyurl.com/7bj8g

I actually tell my students to turn off their laptops during my lectures and take notes on paper. I’ve walked by one too many screens with an IM front and center. Never heard any complaints. Since I’ve started enforcing this, I’ve seen students grasping harder concepts quicker. It’s quite remarkable actually.

If your prof uses PowerPoint or some other presentation software, ask for a copy of the slides (have a thumbdrive on hand) afterwards. If they raise an eyebrow, just explain that you want to spend the lecture time taking notes and thinking about the concepts rather than wasting time duplicating their slides on your paper. I know I’d be impressed by that!

Merlin Mann's picture

I ♥ plain text

Might be too lofi for you, but I’m partial to text files for stuff like this — I’d recommend one per class-session, then use a consistent naming system that makes sense for you.

I do love OmniOutliner too, as well as Devonthink and Yojimbo. All great. But it’s also really important IMHO to find the simplest tool you can tolerate. Less fiddly. :)

OT: have you tried Schoolhouse for tracking assignments?

dbtodd's picture

Merlin's solution

Hey Merlin, let’s here about your foray into Hypercard during college!

Merlin Mann's picture

Oh, man, HyperCard

1988: Me, my SE, and a copy of HyperCard were the recipe for an extraordinary amount of fiddly meta work that went absolutely nowhere useful. Man.

I’m so glad I didn’t have HyperCard in Jr. High when I was into D&D; I never would have made it to 10th grade — would have spent a year trying to build a HyperDM or the like, I’m sure.

dbtodd's picture

Your SE?

Is that the one that is now a backpack?

adamschoales's picture

Schoolhouse is great!

Schoolhouse is great for that! I really like yojimbo for keeping track of everything - I just dislike that you can’t add in image files.

I really want to learn devonthink but it seems SO complex - but I like the idea of wikistyle editing. does anyone have a good tutorial or screencast they can point me towards

jmath's picture

images to Yojimbo

fyi images don’t go with selected text to Yojimbo thru services or drag & drop but as a separate step you can copy and paste the image into a text note. An extra step but then one can ask “do I really need this image with this info?”

Pfenya's picture

My favorite: NoteBook

I’ve been using Word the first three years of college but I bought a license for NoteBook by CircusPonies last semester and really like it. You have a virtual NoteBook with dividers for each class you are taking and can take your notes in there but can also attach your lecture slides and digital reading materials to it (for pdfs it will show a thumbnail of the first page and when you click it, the pdf automatically gets opened in your pdf-viewer od choice). Today I even saw that it works with Skim (the pdf-viewer) so that when you highlight something in Skim you can automatically copy that to NoteBook and make some annotations to what you have highlighted.

You can also highlight things in NoteBook and it has the ability to export what you have written in many different formats (including Word docs).

I’d definitely give it a test spin. It has a very clean interface but at the same time it has tons of features you can use.

Jacquee.B's picture

I like Notebook too

I’ve been using Notebook by CircusPonies since I went back to grad school just over a year ago. I like the Cornell notes taking option where you can take notes on the right hand side of the page and put one or two keywords along the left. It’s nice to use for studying for tests. Also, the clippings feature is great for supplemental material. I use the clippings for writing research papers as well. All my references are linked and I can export into word the final project.

Highly recommended.

adamschoales's picture

Re: I like Notebook too

i tried notebook and dont mind it - however I’m not a huge fan of how everything is “bulleted” (more so the fact that I actually see the bullets - I find them incredibly distracting…)

although the cornell note taking ability seems nice.

oschultz's picture

RE: I like Notebook too

FYI: Bullets can be turned on and off in Notebook

misanthropic777's picture

I have to agree with wood.tang....there are benefits to paper...

Lifehack.org recently wrote a post on why you better remember what you write. It has to do with the different mental path that written information takes compared to other methods.

I was writing in my blog as well about this (blog.protoscholar.com) after I caught myself essentially rewriting my notes as I study for an exam. It helps, although until I read the lifehack post I didn’t know quite why.

jd_'s picture

Do the organizing later

wood.tang already beat me to it, but pencil and paper are my weapon of choice. This is a no-brainer for me since I study graphic arts, but I think I'd stick with a low-tech solution regardless of the class subject matter. For me, the point is to make capture as easy as possible. The organization can be done later.

There're plenty of personal wikis which can be great for storing and revising notes. Just don't try to juggle one in class.

PinkSamurai's picture

Hey - I’m a new phd

Hey - I’m a new phd student, and new mac user. First of all, I’d like to endorse paper and pen/pencil for in class note taking. There are so many reasons why this is best, many of which have already been said. My personal reason is that when the prof throws up diagrams you can capture them accurately and quickly.

That said, it is great to have notes in digital form. I’ve gotten into the habit of transferring my notes to my laptop using the program Mori. The major feature that had my attention: it is searchable. Plus, the formatting options are minimal, so there isn’t much you can do to goof around. If you want images - drag and drop.

Good luck!

Vermyndax's picture

Re: Note Taking Tips?

Journler has been good to me, I must say. It’s very versatile, but not adequate for GTD in my opinion. I’ve used Journler for note taking and iGTD for GTD - together, the pair has helped me tremendously.

Exposay's picture

Paper

We’ve all seen how a stack and index cards and binder clip might be the best tool for ubiquitous capture and to-do listing. Perhaps paper is the best tool here. Later, go back to your mac and type up the notes if you’d like. It’s another step, but when it comes to studying, steps are good.

siegling's picture

VoodooPad is pretty cool for such a task

So it’s a WYSIWYG wiki editor, can do images, export to html if you want to share your notes, words you select as links are AUTOMATICALLY LINKED. So, could be useful, depending on your style. Check on interoperation with his FlySketch program if you want to incorporate drawings.

http://flyingmeat.com/voodoopad/

WiS's picture

Mac wiki

“I’ve also heard wiki’s are a great way to take notes but have no clue how to do so on my mac.”

Try MoinX. It’s a mac version of moinmoin wiki - it’s pretty much foolproof compared to other wikis, and designed to be a personal wiki from the get-go.

yesno's picture

Plain text files with TextMate

Allows folding, context-specific highlighting, use of Markdown cleverly, text snippets.

I did one semester of law school with OmniOutliner. Great program, but nothing beats ASCII for a brain dumb.

cpn's picture

notetaking apps

The best tool for taking notes is Tinderbox at eastgate.com. It’s not cheap, and it takes time to use, but nothing beats it for taking notes. It also comes with Yojimbo.

hyperblazer's picture

Another vote for low-tech

A point worth making: you probably want a system that will remain useful to you throughout your education. And the fact is, as you move into more difficult classes, the profs will cover things more quickly. If you’re in a class that involves math, you’ll find it hard to keep up with the equations. Either you’ll treat everything like images (in which case, what’s the point? you could just scan in paper notes) or you’ll be lost because you’re trying to switch from image mode to text mode and back.

I’m a grad student in theoretical chemistry. This fall, I’m TA’ing a class in quantum mechanics. You do not want to try to type notes during that class.

Non-Mac solution: one of my students has a Tablet PC. Seems to work well for him.

Mac (or any other) solution: use plain white loose-leaf paper for the notes, and buy a scanner. With good choices of scan quality, you’ll can probably keep your whole undergraduate education on a single CD.

Brandon_Leedy's picture

Back to Basics from a student...

Hi adamschoales, I’m also a college student and last year (my freshman year) I came across the same dilemma. I guess I’ll share the methods that worked for me. If the teacher actually gives you any files, for example the powerpoint/presentation used by the teacher during class, I would take notes on that. Especially in that case, having the extra notes coupled with the presentation will allow for you to easily follow the mental process of the presentation and remember things for later. For classes without actual files I am a huge advocate of simplicity on this. Merlin and wood.tang have it right, paper and text files are where its at. Much like the GTD “Inbox”, it doesn’t matter what you use to collect your inputs, just that it works for you. Also, like I believe either Merlin or David Allen said, it should be something with the least amount of interference. Wood.tang is right that the screen is a wall, or better yet a window to all the other things you could do (internet,etc) which keeps you from concentrating.

The truth is, you are supposed to concentrate on the information in the notes not the program/media its on, so the notes should be well named or organized in places you can find them easily. Getting fancy with pictures and links sounds nice, but in reality it only distracts you from the information at hand. In the time it takes to make a word a special color, or attach a picture, you probably missed something important the professor just said. Choose the path of least interference between brain and storage, and you shall prosper. Oh…and study them. Notes don’t help if they remain un-read. Good Luck!

Erik Schmidt's picture

Personal preference

As you can see from the responses so far, there are many ways to take notes on (or off) your Mac.

Before deciding whether to go analog or digital, I'd ask yourself which is more comfortable for you. I do a tremendous amount of work on a keyboard, and I'm a touch typist, so I can put write much more rapidly with my laptop than I can by hand. But I know other students who are much more comfortable with the physical process of writing by hand. I suppose the legibility of your writing is a factor as well.

Beyond that, there are advantages to each approach. Going analog does mean you can quickly jot down notes for diagrams, equations, and so on. While OmniGraffle is an excellent tool, it's never going to be as fast as a pencil and paper. On the other hand, when you enter your notes in digital form, they can be easily transformed later. I frequently combine class notes with notes from reading, discussions, and so on. I find it much easier when the original is in digital form.

If you are interested in using a digital tool for notetaking, there are several articles covering Mori, OmniOutliner, Notebook, and other apps at my site, http://www.maclawstudents.com.

 
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