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Merlin on MacBreak Weekly 75
Merlin Mann | Jan 30 2008
MacBreak Weekly 75: MacHeist Replies
Here’s a direct MP3 download of our marathon 107 minute, nearly-ruined-by-Skype-farts MBW 75. And, hey, whaddaya know? MBW is having its Diamond Anniversary. I should pick up a necklace or an industrial drill for Leo. This week, Leo invited Philip and Andrew on to talk about MacHeist. I hope they feel like they got a fair hearing and were able to say their piece. For myself, I’m still not sure how I feel about MacHeist, but I’m persuaded that the process is improved over the first time it was offered. On a personal level, it was cool to be given a chance to talk to Andrew, whose Ambrosia Software has been with me like a secret friend for almost as long as I’ve used a Mac. This time around my pick of the week is Airfoil by Rogue Amoeba (although I also profess my affection for lots of other stuff Paul makes). Good interview from last year with Paul over on Ars Technica. POSTED IN:
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Re: Merlin on MacBreak Weekly 75
I enjoyed the show this week. MBW is weekly habit for me, but I think hearing from both sides these past two weeks should firmly place MBW in the middle of the Mac community…if it’s not there already.
Now, Yojimbo is one of my top three apps, and it has been worth every penny I paid for the family pack at full price. But, that didn’t sway me to Rich Siegel’s perspective. His arguments were almost all pointed toward why a developer shouldn’t participate. Considering that the developers agreed to their terms ahead of time, and especially so this year even after the critiques from last year, I didn’t think his arguments had that much merit.
Re: Merlin on MacBreak Weekly 75
dude, i loved the episode. mbw is a weekly habit for me as well.
Re: Merlin on MacBreak Weekly 75
I’m glad Merlin got his Skype sorted out in time to pose a few harder-edged questions to Philip Ryu. I wasn’t entirely satisfied with the tone of the interview until then. I think Philip acquitted himself well by answering most of Rich Siegel’s criticisms, but there’s still something about the philosophy of the Heist that bothers me. In a way, it reminds me of those companies that profit by selling a slightly customized version of OpenOffice, ie, they are making money simply by coming up with the idea of packaging it, not by doing any of the hard work.
I look at the two interviews this way: imagine you were putting together a team for something BIG, say a run for public office, where a single misstep might cost you the election. For me, there is no doubt at all that I would want Rich Siegel on my team, maybe even running my campaign. Philip… I’m not so sure. This is why the slight whiff of something being a little off (or a rank stench in the case of the malcor stunt) matters.
Yep.
It’s ineluctable, but I have a similar feeling.
I’m reluctant to hop on any bandwagon on either side here, especially since I don’t have anything but gut feelings and sense of smell to guide me.
But, yes, that’s the best I can put it; something about MacHeist still doesn’t feel quite right to me. Can’t figure out why. But, I’m planning to try and keep my mind open until I can.
RE: Vesuvio on Merlin on MacBreak 75
I wonder if there is a better analogy then someone putting together a campaign for public office. What MacHeist is doing seems to be what most middle-men do in business, namely, act as a go-between the consumer and the producers. In a business like paper products, they would be the distributors. Now as someone who has a brother in the paper distribution business I can understand why one might have a problem with these businesses. They don’t produce anything, they simply advertise and bundle products. Maybe what Merlin and others are reacting to is the archaic feel of a 20th century mode of distribution. As web saavy 21st century individuals, I think many of us may feel that producers (developers) shouldn’t have to go through distributors and subsequently lose a portion of the value of their product. While I can understand the intuitive negative reaction MacHeist might engender as a distributor, there doesn’t seem to me to be anything inherently wrong with developers going that route - a route which does in this case benefit consumers.
Re: RE: Vesuvio on Merlin on MacBreak 75
My campaign analogy was aimed more at gauging the integrity of the individuals in question, but your “middle man” analogy is a good one. This is what I meant when I made reference to those shady companies that repackage OpenOffice as a commercial product. I can’t argue that MacHeist isn’t good for consumers, but then, Wal-Mart is good for consumers too, but is it good for communities? Is it good the for manufacturers who get squeezed for lower prices? The core of my uneasiness is this: what is the intent of the MacHeist creators? Is it to help the little guy get a foothold, or is it to make a profit? Would they even bother if it were an entirely altruistic venture? I doubt it. So if profit is the primary driving force, I just can’t shake the feeling that there’s a degree of exploitation going on here.
Re:Re: (Ok, at this point I'm just continuing the conversation)
Let’s assume that you are correct and that MacHeist is a profit driven enterprise. In order to suspect MacHeist of exploitation we would also have to assume that VectorDesigner, Snapz Pro X, Pixelmator, CSSEdit et. al., are developed by non-profit software developers who are charging customers only what is necessary for them to break even on development costs.
I have no problem with MacHeist acting as an game/advertising agency/promoter/distributor provided they have not coerced, deceived or defrauded the participants. If this were the case, then we could draw an analogy between Wal Mart and MacHeist. The problem with Wal Mart is that they are able to demand lower prices from American factories in virtue of the volume of their buys along with the explicit or implicit threat to go overseas and exploit third world factories (and indirectly third world workers).
Given what was stated in episode 75, the developers entered into voluntary contracts, were paid a substantial sum of money, and raised money for charity. The fact that MacHeist received a share of the profits for their effort doesn’t appear to me to be unseemly, unless again you believe that this whole endeavor was somehow a non-profit enterprise on the part of all the parties involved.
I suppose “exploitation”
I suppose “exploitation” carries a heavier connotation than I intended, and was not the best word. I agree that there’s no coersion going on here. But stepping back a bit, I see that I’m in the awkward position of advocating for a group that doesn’t want an advocate. I’m not a developer myself, I’m a consumer, so if anything, I should be all in for MacHeist. I can only explain why I’m not by falling back on Merlin’s sentiment that it doesn’t “feel” right. Perhaps I’m a foolish consumer, but I would rather pay full price directly to the developers I want to support.
Then there’s this: I remember being very surprised when the MacSanta promotion ran a few years ago to see DevonAgent come up as an offering. It was an older release, but there is was all the same. I was surprised because I think of Devon Technologies as among the elite developers for Mac. Seeing one of their titles in something called MacSanta was akin to, say, finding a MacBook Air at the Dollar Store— immediately your eyebrow would arch. When Rich Siegel talked about devaluing software, I was reminded of MacSanta.
12" macbooks....
Seeing as Merlin is still talking all about the 12” Apple laptops in MBW, and I believe he (and Leo) was tossing around figures like $600 bucks, I just wanted to put my two cents in… First off, I agree, the form factor is far more appealing to me than the Air (for the record I own a 17” MacBook Pro and I own a 12” Aluminum Powerbook for the already obvious reason that the 17”, while a great machine, is too damn big to be convenient for travel.) Back to the point at hand though… I do travel a lot for work, and the use of a superdrive is very handy on flights, as is the ability to actually open it on the tiny tray table and see what you’re doing. But seriously, who the hell is paying $600 for one? Here in RI I often see on Craigslist 12” iBook G4s in the $250-350 range and 12” PowerBook G4’s in the $400-450 range (usually they’re the aluminum version.) Hell I can get a Intel Macbook for around $700(white)or $800(black) If I watch Craigslist closely enough for a week or two… with that kind of pricing differential, all I’m trying to say here is I really wouldn’t advise anyone to be paying in the $600 neighborhood for a 12” Powerbook… Unless it’s some Magical 12” that can boot Leopard without giving you enough time to take a shower, shave, and get dressed (okay, I’m exaggerating here, that would be the Mac Plus booting system 6. :-) But just so we’re clear here, were there to be a 12” Intel MacBook Pro available to buy, were’ talking removable battery, 2+ or more gigs of RAM versus 640 MB, and of course blazing fast Tiger or Leopard… If there was one available… Damn straight I’d buy one…