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David Allen Interview: Getting Things Done with Email

Productive Talk #05: Email

43 Folders and The David Allen Company present the fifth in a series of conversations that David and Merlin recently had about Getting Things Done.

Summary

In this episode, David and Merlin talk about email. We learn that David coaches people to deal with a high volume of messages by treating them like you would any other input.

(Running time: 17:53)

Grab the MP3, learn more at Odeo.com, or just listen here (after the cut).

Merlin’s comments

Email was one of the topics that I was most interested in talking to David about, and I found his responses to my questions thought-provoking.

David makes the case that email is basically just another input — like voice mail, for example — that needs to be emptied and processed every day. That it’s not substantially different (apart from how badly mostly people do it right now).

While I absolutely agree on processing to zero, I think opinions may differ on the significance of email’s impact on the life of the average knowledge worker.

I think David’s approach and advice are tactically quite sound in terms of fixing your own half-acre of the problem, but I’m still ambivalent about a prevailing culture of email in which the implied expectation is that we always need to be on, for example, responding to business-day messages within minutes of their arrival. My friends working down in the Valley (you know who you are) tell me this is the elephant in the room in terms of trying to get anything accomplished between 8 and 6.

While email has matured in terms of adoption, I think we’re still in the very early days of understanding how to use it responsibly across teams and organizations — we’re still a long way from seeing a standard for sound email usage that acknowledges that most “real work” can and should take place outside of an inbox. I really look forward to seeing how we can each help to initiate these conversations in our own circles.

In the mean time, you’ll love hearing David’s advice on Getting Things Done in email. He has a way of cutting to the point that I find really refreshing. Also watch for his prediction on the Blackberry’s inevitable progeny: The Watermelon!


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Mike Levy's picture

When someone is tailgating me...

When someone is tailgating me on the road, I slow down so that they are forced to keep a safer distance (3 feet at 10 mph is much safer, for example, than 3 feet at 60 mph). Similarly, when someone is pushy for quick responses, I sloooooow dooooown, minimizing their expectations. I usually get back to most people in a flash, but when it’s expected? Forget it. Unless, of course, it is an urgent matter.

In the junior high where I teach, we are expected to check our snail mail in the morning and once during the day. I think email should be treated similarly. Like Craig said, if it’s an emergency, they should try you by telephone.

Craig's picture

Where's my soapbox. Here. Okay,...

Where’s my soapbox. Here. Okay, my thoughts:

If you expect an instant response to an email message you send, you do not understand the whole point of asynchronous communications.

You should also think about using a telephone.

If you respond to emails instantly because you want to meet this expectation, you are an enabler.

Mark's picture

These podcasts are great. ...

These podcasts are great. Hopefully you will release the whole thing together at some point.

I better go check my email.

Dan Markovitz's picture

Sandy Weill, the recently retired...

Sandy Weill, the recently retired chief of Citigroup, didn’t even use email, but somehow managed to run a financial empire. (For good or bad is another issue.) Yes, he had minions catering to his needs, but by opting out of email, he was tacitly saying that the inbox was not the sum total of his work existence. And yes, as the big cheese, he could call anyone in the organization and get an immediate response, but nevertheless, he allowed himself the luxury of THINKING, rather than simply responding.

80%? 90%? 99%? of the time, people don’t need an immediate response. They need a predictable response — say, within 30 minutes or an hour. Organizations (or groups within organizations) need to begin this conversation, and recognize that just because we can send a message instantaneously doesn’t mean that we have to respond instantaneously.

Justin's picture

Multi-tasking frustrates me to no...

Multi-tasking frustrates me to no end. On my last project I found that I would be reviewing a document, then bounce to my email inbox (upon notification of a new message), and then all of a sudden I would get IM’d with a question. Invariably, my concentration was lost and I completely forgot what I was originally working on! At the end of the day this undermined my productivity. The problem was that the tools were controlling me, instead of the other way around. Now I only periodically check my email and likewise if I get an instant message, I don’t respond to it until I am ready. It’s good to be in control!

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Zach Behrens's picture

Thank you. I never...

Thank you. I never thought about archiving my Gmail until now. It feels good to be at zero.

Bill Peschel's picture

Did anyone have a problem...

Did anyone have a problem downloading the MP3? When I did it using the “Save as” feature, it only ran 2:15, with Dave’s voice fading out suddenly. If I had interrupted the download, it wouldn’t have saved.

Torley's picture

That was freakin' insightful, I...

That was freakin’ insightful, I really enjoyed it.

I think I noticed a bug: the Odeo player seemed to tail at 10:22, even tho the actual podcast is several minutes longer than that.

Also, the text in this comment entry box is really, really small! Can you please consider making it larger?

BTW, I CRACKED UP SO HARD AT MERLIN’S MENTION OF WATERMELON!

I love watermelon so much (see my website for why)… not sure I’d lug one everywhere as a lifestyle PDA, but it’d be useful if I got lost in the desert and needed to drink something. :)

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Kedron's picture

I suck rocks when it...

I suck rocks when it comes to personal e-mail. I get so overwhelmed with the amount of spam that comes through that I can barely function. I get to zero by selecting everything in my inbox and hitting delete.

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Sarah's picture

The de facto standard that...

The de facto standard that seems to exist in my little corner of the world is that if it’s time-critical, you ring, if it’s not, you email. And if it’s something that requires a more back-and-forth, collaborative type interaction it gets taken to IM.

Email (still?) seems to be sufficiently “heavy” that the five-minute response is not an expectation.

Of course there are always those damn extroverts who insist on ringing about everything, but one tries to make allowances for their tragic psychological condition.

Solo's picture

Favorite David point: when he...

Favorite David point: when he says that GTD ought to exacerbate things that are not working. Merlin point: “the short order cook is not collecting slips of paper, he is cooking meals.” I also like the coinage “zenslap”.

David Allen’s persona in conversation with Merlin is much sharper than his voice on the audiobook of Ready For Anything. Good stuff!

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Scott Cheatham's picture

Merlin, Since switching over to David's...

Merlin,

Since switching over to David’s email processing system as a part of GTD, my inbox stays empty and my stress level has dropped exponentially. It IS possible if you utilize the @Action, @Referce, etc..options. Sometimes, the only thing I might have a hard time doing is clearing out old reference items just to keep my boxes low.

Also, I’ve recently switched over to GTDGmail, available as an extension to those running the FireFox web browser for my management system and it’s an awesome extension. Keeping things in their proper contexts and doing custom searches to organize my action list is outstanding. It even custom prints HipSter PDA cards to take with you on the go, which I do everyday to add to my “stack”.

Thanks for the interviews…these have been awesome!

Rob's picture

What about for those of...

What about for those of us where email is not only the primary form of communication, but really the way we do our work. That is as a freelance web developer all my work comes in through email and goes out through email. It’s not so much noise surrounding my work but the work itself. I get photoshop files, feature requests, changes, modifications etc through email so processing that email is my work essentially.

I tend to live out of my inbox, it is my todo list basically and it doesn’t feel like there are very good tools for dealing with it in this manner and shifting it to another program or another context doesn’t really make a lot of sense. WHat’s really needed is a very smart way of leveraing email into your workflow a bit better. The idea that the new Mac Leopard OS is going to have To Do’s integrated into email is exciting but what to do till then?

Thoughts? Ideas?

Derrick Bostrom's picture

This was an interesting discussion....

This was an interesting discussion. DA is clearly concerned that his theories not be used to further the culture of finger-pointing. MM couldn’t get him to budge off point. It’s a fine point, but an obvious one: my company makes money off sales not me keeping my in-box empty. However I can increase sales, that’s up to me.

After a year and a half at my current job, I can finally and consistently keep my in-box at zero, but only becaue I’ve spent a lot of time figuring out what they all mean. I’ve had to go through several systems, each progressing from the previous, designed to increase my understanding of both the inputs and my relationship to them. My current process wouldn’t have worked for me a year ago.

It seems to me that David squarely focuses on that relationship, rather than on process. His previous statement, that administrators are basically people who hold buckets and run after other people, hit me square between the eyes. It helped me to understand that I do GTD because others can’t or won’t. I don’t dare pay too much attention to processes; I have to pay close attention so that I don’t break my ankle tripping over my co-workers piles of stuff.

You have to be able to view your circumstance from a half-dozen altitudes at once, and you have to come to terms with the fact that it’ll never look good from all altitutes at once. When too many views look bad, it’s time to move on.

Christopher's picture

First thought: does my boss...

First thought: does my boss understand ‘computers’? Second thought: my boss may understand I want to work on the efficency email usage within our organisation. But, does he understand how important this is? Or could become?

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