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Vox Pop: Want HD video from iTunes and Apple TV?

Since the new TV can handle video up to HD’s 720p resolution, there’s been a lot of speculation about whether the iTunes store will eventually start selling HD content, such as TV shows and movies. You can bet that the desire for that quality of presentation is theoretically out there (at least it is for this HD TV owner). The problem, as many folks have discussed at length, is that the file size for HD movies, in particular, may be prohibitively large for the garden-variety home broadband user.

As Greg Keene notes, “With simple math, we can extrapolate that a 2-hour movie would be about 3.9 GB.” That’s not only a substantially lengthy download for, say, a residential DSL subscriber, it also represents the investment of over 10% of the available space on the Apple TV’s drive (as well as, it should be noted, an equivalent chunk of space back on your Mac or PC’s disk).

In his very good “Apple TV: iTunes Store Movie Quality vs DVD, HD, Cable,” Daniel Eran writes:

Since the existing “near DVD” quality movies are already large downloads, Apple would either have to highly compress HDTV or accommodate much longer downloads. Don’t expect a sudden move to HDTV from iTunes…

Apple optimistically estimates that broadband iTunes users can download its “near DVD quality” movies in a couple hours, so HD movies would either take well over a day of sustained downloading at full tilt, or require far more compression.

This is one reason I think the Apple TV may be giving a kind of temporary competitive advantage to producers of shorter-length HD content, such as — well — let’s say video podcasters. It’s a big reason behind our decision to start shooting and releasing The Merlin Show in 720p over the next month or so. The current hi-res version of the show — which actually looks pretty good on my Apple TV — is presented at widescreen 854x480, which makes our most recent, 14-minute episode weigh in at 88 MB (about 6 MB/minute).

Here’s a comparison of the three screen resolutions (720p, hi-res/854x480, and iPod/320x176) for reference (This is just for relative size comparison; you can mentally change the image’s “mm” to “px.”)

Seems to me that the typical expectation for podcasts is that, while they will be released on a relatively regular basis, they will also get downloaded automatically in the background and then get synched to a device like a Video iPod or TV for viewing at the user’s convenience.

But, movies, and to a lesser extent, single episodes of TV shows, strike me as more of an impulse item — something you want to download and watch more or less now. Knowing there’s two hours and multiple gigs of disk space between you and Norbit might be a disincentive to downloading, right? But, then again, people don’t seem to mind the wait of their Netflix queue, right? I dunno. You tell me.

Given the constraints of time and disk space, would you purchase (and wait for the download of) HD content for your TV? What do you think is an acceptable resolution for content on your HD TV? Anybody hacked on their unit yet? Whither TV, iTunes, and HD?


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Ben's picture

For TV shows, I would...

For TV shows, I would love to have 720p, as that is the native resolution of my TV anyway. Currently I pretty much tell my Tivo what I want, and come back a few days later and watch it. This would seem to work great with iTune’s “buy the whole season and download when available” model—particularly if it could be made to do the downloads late at night or during the day when I am at work.

It’s less appealing for movies, as I tend to watch movies exactly once. The iTunes price point is not appealing compared to Netflix when you don’t care about keeping the movie. I’d love to have HD movies, but as long as a download costs considerably more than a rental in a similar resolution, it doesn’t work for me.

All that being said, the only thing keeping me from buying an AppleTV is the fact that I already have a Mac Mini connected to my home theater.

Axul's picture

I simply won't buy an...

I simply won’t buy an ?tv until 24 is available in HD on the iTunes Store.

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Gregory Harbin's picture

I regularly download 720p content...

I regularly download 720p content with my Xbox 360, and while the wait is annoying, it’s well worth it for the content I get. If Apple could figure out a way to let me automatically download TV shows and podcasts in 720p while I’m at work, so I can watch them when I get home, that is a service I would use. As the iTunes store is, offering 480p video is just not enough. The TV shows, and especially the movies, are way too fuzzy to try to watch on a computer screen, or on an HD screen.

1080p video, while preeety (seriously, have you downloaded those Planet Earth torrents?), is not really required, and the download time is unacceptable for a show like Lost or a podcast.

Odineye's picture

I own an HD LCD...

I own an HD LCD TV, with a mac mini hooked up to it, so I have HD as an option, but I really don’t find myself needing HD content so badly that I’m going to want to pack hard drives full of it. I like the Netflix model as well, primarily because I can get stuff I want to see, watch it, and then send it away - no storage issues, no wondering whether I really wanted to have season 4 of “Blossom” forever). If I really, really want something forever, then I’ll buy it.

While I don’t really care for the subscription model for music services, I like it for TV and Movies. For music, I really like to listen to things over and over again, but for TV and movies this is typically not the case. For video stuff I really just want to watch it and move on to the next thing. You can put me in the column that would like a subscription download model with a cue, similar to Netflix’s DVD rental service. I would be more than happy to have one video leave as the other comes in, saving hard drive space. I imagine, within this model, you could also have a “buy” option for the times you come across something you really, really want.

Josh Pyles's picture

Hey, I would download HD content...

Hey,

I would download HD content from iTunes store on a RENTAL plan. If I could RENT movies, just like my Blockbuster Online account, and put some in the Queue that could download after I turn in my other movie, and it could start streaming after a half hour or so of downloading then I would TOTALLY get HD from iTunes. Purchase model isn’t realistic in the movie industry. I watch a typical movie maybe once or twice if it’s really good, but after that it just gets old. If I buy a movie, that means it’s really good and I want to watch it over and over, but it’s rare that I actually buy a movie. Also, I don’t have the disk space to continually hold video content, so a rental model would limit you to the few gigs the movie you are currently watching takes up.

Thoughts anyone?

Brian Andrews's picture

Hey Merlin, I share your view...

Hey Merlin,

I share your view on the potential benefits of the Apple TV for small independent producers. We’ve heard Alex Lindsey mention this on his podcasts. Our site, http://www.hungryflix.com, provides downloads of indie films. we are very excited that now with Apple TV we can move directly into the family room. No more fighting for a distribution deal to get one or two copies of the DVD in Blockbuster.

Here is a sample clip of moving content to Apple TV, click the play trailer button: http://www.hungryflix.com/view_media_movie.php?mid=479

Brendan's picture

Here in Ireland there's one...

Here in Ireland there’s one provider that provides 6Mb broadband at an anyway affordable price, but the problem is my monthy home bandwidth allowence is 40GB. I am subscribed to a lot of podcasts and I don’t want to get cut off, so HD downloads aren’t possible here for people like me.

Matt V's picture

I downloaded an HD episode...

I downloaded an HD episode of CSI to my Xbox 360 as a test a few months ago. It took around an hour and a half to download the episode. It looked really good, as good as over the air HD.

I don’t see myself buying much video from iTMS, between my Tivo and Netflix I get all of the TV shows & movies I want to see. That may change when Apple releases their widescreen iPod :).

meckimac's picture

I published a poll about...

I published a poll about that topic on my website: http://meckimac.com/drupal/node/33

The question was: How much would you pay for HD movies in the iTunes store?

The resulsts so far are quite interesting as it seems that people are not willing to spend more money for HD than for the current 480p movies…

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