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43f Podcast: David Allen on interruptions
Merlin Mann | Nov 6 2006
Productive Talk #06: Interruptions 43 Folders and The David Allen Company present the sixth in a series of conversations that David and Merlin recently had about Getting Things Done. Summary
Grab the MP3, learn more at Odeo.com, or just listen here (after the cut). Merlin’s commentsIn this episode, David makes the excellent point that if interruptions are a baked-in part of your job, they shouldn’t necessarily be seen as a Bad Thing. It’s just something you need to prepare for by “clearing the decks” in a way that opens you up for the opportunities and game-time input that new information can bring into your world. Something not to miss — David is just truly a whiz at changing gears based on his own system. If new stuff interrupts what he’s currently working on, he scoops all the current work back into “pending,” and basically says “Bring it on!” As I mentioned in the interview, watching David work like this took me back to Martin Ternouth’s paper-based system, which turns on a couple key, GTD-esque ideas: 1) you’re only ever working on one thing at a time, and 2) everything current gets emptied and re-evaluated daily. I think it’s that jog between in-the-moment work and frequent review that really makes a system like GTD work. When (not if) interruptions arise, you trust the system to hold your work in situ, and then your reviews ensure you never miss a beat. And, finally, although we didn’t get into it as much as I’d like, I really think it’s important to understand and distinguish between interruptions as opposed to distractions. In other words, there are those things that immediately need our attention in life (poopy babies, family emergencies, buildings on fire) versus those notifications, pings, and existential shovelware that we’ve chosen to accept (*waves at RSS feeds and AIM*). So, if you’re feeling overwhelmed by interruptions, make sure you’ve done everything you can to reduce the noise. In other words, consider clearing your own decks today for the serendipity and kismet that might be coming your way this week. To paraphrase Thomas Edison, sometimes interesting opportunities arrive dressed as a huge pain in the ass. Listen to Episode #06 of Productive TalkGrab the MP3, learn more at Odeo.com, or just listen from here: POSTED IN:
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The reason I find interruptions...
The reason I find interruptions stressful is twofold. Firstly, I have a lot of tasks which can take 2-3hrs to complete. But I can’t set aside time for these: I’m expected to be available everytime someone comes up to my desk - and that’s mostly for stuff that far more junior people should be doing.
I can’t ignore it until I’ve decided whehter or not it’s urgent/important enough to warrant my attention. And by then, I’ve sufficienly lost the thread of what I’m doing that I just as well go and do it.
The problem (hopefully) becomes much smaller on Dec. 31st, since I’m (hurrah) focussing on the 1/4 of my job that’s the most interesting, and can legitimately tell the other queries to go away. And then, 95% of the legitimate interruptions will be by phone, and from people that have already done the initial triage.
But the fundamental problem won’t go away: how do I legitimately block out time to do work in a culture that stresses availability?
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When you told the story of the red sash, I thought immediately of my workplace. We’re building Mars rovers over here, and the schedules can get intense. A custom red baseball cap was made that reads “I’m on the critical path to Mars!” Then it gets handed around during the course of the project to whoever is in that hotseat this month. They don’t wear it all the time to repel interruptions, but it’s a useful & humorous reminder.
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Ha! Glad to hear the shout-out to Target and the police tape. I work at TGT HQ and just attended the GTD session. Everyone was encouraged to take enough yellow tape to seal off their cubes to keep people from distracting them during the collection process. When you attend the session, Target actually blocks 2 days on your calendar - one to attend the session and another to get organized back at your desk. It’s really cool how they encourage the whole GTD process here at work. Plus, you get the GTD with Outlook article and the nifty templates from davidco.com.
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Hello Merlin!
I am an avid listener of your podcast, and this last one made me want to ask this question. I hope you’ll have time for a response! :)
Paper vs. digital vs. both —- how to do both in unison? You and David were talking about handling one’s ‘system’, and it should not matter if it’s on paper or digital. A bit later, you acknowledged that many of your listeners are IT workers. Personally, I’m a programmer; so inevitably, some of my tasks are computer-based, while others are definitely not.
My question is, how do I track both these separate domains in one system? I fear using two task lists (one paper, one digital) because they’ll get out of sync, or I won’t be looking at the right one.
Your approach of “use folders on the desktop, and close ‘em if you’re willing to be interrupted” won’t be easily translated into a computer’s desktop, because everything is in that one application (in my case, Lotus Notes), and not so easily grouped, closed and reopened.
Merlin, please help!
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When I worked at my first startup company in a cubicle environment and I needed an uninterrupted hour I went out and got one of those signs you would see in a store window with the clock dial that says “I will be back at…”. I would then set the clock face for an hour and hang this up over the entrance to my cubicle. I would then put on big headphones that blocked out the outside world. Part of making this work is not doing it all day long but only for limited periods of time.
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Sorry if this is OT (or Just Plain Wrong), but I can’t get this pod from Odeo using my client. It was okay up until today.
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i pulled out ternouth’s postings from tufte’s site, and did a little formatting: http://drauh.typepad.com/Ternouth/
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Merlin mentioned something about wanting a “magic hat” to ward of interruptions. Here’s mine
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